Jun 07 12:26:08 <YoussefAssad> aratux: I have news from the italian guy.
Jun 07 12:26:23 <aratux> italian guy ?
Jun 07 12:26:51 <YoussefAssad> aratux: The meeting went well, it was brief. It is the EOSBC we will be dealing with, not the UNDP, not the ICT Fund
Jun 07 12:27:41 <aratux> yes, this thing
Jun 07 12:27:43 <YoussefAssad> Nte: we = linux-egypt and us guys. Cooperation is good, IMO, unless you have a better idea. I'm open to suggestions.
Jun 07 12:27:47 <aratux> I told you we are memebrs already
Jun 07 12:27:55 <aratux> hesham is a founder in eosbc
Jun 07 12:27:59 <aratux> hesham Bahram
Jun 07 12:28:22 <YoussefAssad> Anyhow. I've worked with him on an action plan regarding how to promote FOSS in Egypt, and we have something ready for the community to contribute to.
Jun 07 12:28:30 <YoussefAssad> It's very good actually, as a first draft.
Jun 07 12:28:56 <YoussefAssad> Since the community will be contributing to this action plan, I suggest we put it on the wiki. Is this okay with you?
Jun 07 12:29:08 <YoussefAssad> We could post it to LE also, but it would become outdated quickly.
Jun 07 12:29:31 <YoussefAssad> Aywa ya sidi, I understand Bahram is a founder, this is why I'm bringing you guys on board quickly.
Jun 07 12:29:40 <aratux> I have nothing to do with the wiki, it is up to you to do whatever you like in it
Jun 07 12:29:48 <aratux> it is related to eglug as far as I know
Jun 07 12:30:06 <aratux> YoussefAssad, didn't understand your last statement
Jun 07 12:30:21 <YoussefAssad> Mashy. But is the idea of editing the action plan on the wiki acceptable for you?
Jun 07 12:30:46 <YoussefAssad> Khaleek ma3aya, I will get to the issue of you guys being members of EOSBC. I have not forgotten.
Jun 07 12:31:29 <YoussefAssad> ya3ni 3andak mane3 enne law fi action plan lel3amal 3ala nashr linux fi masr, ennel action plan da since it needs community participation yet7att 3ala el wiki?
Jun 07 12:32:45 <YoussefAssad> Also, the guy has written a short introduction on who he is and what they are trying to achieve fil EOSBC, maktooba specially for the Linux community. I want to post this 3andoko, as well as 3andena. What do you think?
Jun 07 12:32:46 <aratux> I think this think is something with eosbc
Jun 07 12:32:50 <aratux> we will agree on it in the meetings
Jun 07 12:33:13 <aratux> s/think/thing/g
Jun 07 12:34:06 <YoussefAssad> Who do you mean with `we'?
Jun 07 12:36:42 <aratux> eosbc
Jun 07 12:37:34 <aratux> developing the documents of eosbc
Jun 07 12:37:47 <aratux> if you have proposals, you can develop them on the wiki, or our forum, as you like
Jun 07 12:39:13 <YoussefAssad> Yes, I understand what you are saying and it makes sense
Jun 07 12:39:17 <YoussefAssad> However, the guy from the UNDP providing technical assistance wants to interact directly with the LUG.
Jun 07 12:39:44 <YoussefAssad> This is why they contacted me, this is the objective of what he and I have been doing so far.
Jun 07 12:39:54 <aratux> ok, I don't know what should I do now !!?
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Jun 07 12:40:03 <aratux> if you agree on using the wiki, fine
Jun 07 12:40:06 <YoussefAssad> So work can proceed in 2 directions: Hesham can work with them as a member, and on the other side the LUG members can provide input too
Jun 07 12:40:10 <aratux> if you want to use the forum, no problem
Jun 07 12:40:30 <YoussefAssad> What I and him are trying to achieve now is simply getting the community involved.
Jun 07 12:40:34 <aratux> now my problem is I don't know what I am supposed to do !!
Jun 07 12:40:36 <aratux> :-)
Jun 07 12:40:41 <aratux> ok, go for it
Jun 07 12:41:25 <YoussefAssad> ha2ollak bezabt ana bakhod ra2yak leeh
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Jun 07 12:42:06 <YoussefAssad> el fekra enne ideally, I would want to do the work fi eglug.org, but not everyone goes to eglug.org. Most people work on linux-egypt.org. 
Jun 07 12:42:19 <YoussefAssad> Therefore, it is ideal to start discussion on linux-egypt.org
Jun 07 12:42:47 <CVirus> YoussefAssad ... eglug is a big mistake
Jun 07 12:42:55 <YoussefAssad> But, some active members only exist on eglug.org, so it needs to be posted there too.
Jun 07 12:42:58 <YoussefAssad> Fi 7een enne I don't want the discussion to become fragmented.
Jun 07 12:43:03 <CVirus> we didnt grow to that extend inorder to make another linux community in egypt
Jun 07 12:43:04 <aratux> CVirus, we are not discussing it now here
Jun 07 12:43:19 <CVirus> 7ader ... sorry
Jun 07 12:43:22 <YoussefAssad> ONe solution would be to post on linux-egypt.org pointing to the discussion on eglug.org, so that there is only one discussion, not two.
Jun 07 12:44:24 <YoussefAssad> Is this acceptable to you?
Jun 07 12:44:24 <aratux> why ideally you want to do the work on eglug ?
Jun 07 12:44:24 <aratux> isn't this for the community in egypt
Jun 07 12:44:25 <aratux> :-)
Jun 07 12:44:25 <aratux> ok, ok, I was kidding
Jun 07 12:44:26 <aratux> discuss it wherever you want, just cross reference is not fine, IMHO
Jun 07 12:46:40 <aratux> just like you won't reference to LE from EGLUG !!
Jun 07 12:48:23 <YoussefAssad> aratux: :)
Jun 07 12:48:33 >YoussefAssad< CTCP PING
Jun 07 12:48:54 <aratux> YoussefAssad, :)
Jun 07 12:49:04 <YoussefAssad> aratux: boss, el fekra generally is that I think good things will happen from having these two groups, we just need to figure out how to cooperate smoothly.
Jun 07 12:49:05 <YoussefAssad> aratux: This is a good example.
Jun 07 12:49:57 <YoussefAssad> aratux: And I expect you also to give input on the action plan. I want to hear your voice please. If you're not familiar with wikis, I can give you a quick brief on how to use one. No problem.
Jun 07 12:51:18 <aratux> just I am not convinced with wikis
Jun 07 12:51:23 --- You are now known as MohammedSameer
Jun 07 12:51:28 <CVirus> :S
Jun 07 12:51:30 <CVirus> eh dah
Jun 07 12:51:33 <CVirus> uniball ?
Jun 07 12:51:37 <aratux> when I told alaa I am ready to install it on linux-egypt for the festival, I made that to help only
Jun 07 12:51:46 <MohammedSameer> CVirus: you don't know me !
Jun 07 12:52:10 <CVirus> la2 7'alas i knew
Jun 07 12:52:17 <MohammedSameer> CVirus: ;)
Jun 07 12:52:34 <CVirus> aratux ... did u come to the festival?
Jun 07 12:53:46 * YoussefAssad tele3 3eeno all weekend to draft this action plan
Jun 07 12:53:48 <aratux> CVirus, yes
Jun 07 12:54:17 <aratux> YoussefAssad, post it to the wiki if you think it is better
Jun 07 12:54:41 <CVirus> aratux ... did we meet there :S ?
Jun 07 12:54:43 <MohammedSameer> CVirus: yes he was there with a bunch of ppl from tedata
Jun 07 12:55:15 <aratux> CVirus, I don't know
Jun 07 12:55:15 <MohammedSameer> CVirus: even i didn't know except after the end of the day that he came
Jun 07 12:55:21 <MohammedSameer> from alaa
Jun 07 12:55:31 <aratux> MohammedSameer, and people other than tedata too, btw
Jun 07 12:56:27 <MohammedSameer> aratux: i donno, i was very tired to remember anything :-)
Jun 07 12:56:27 <YoussefAssad> aratux: Khalas, I'll post it there. I will also set up a forum topic introdcing the issue so people can use a more familiar method of discussion if they prefer.
Jun 07 12:56:52 * MohammedSameer brb
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Jun 07 12:57:51 <aratux> YoussefAssad, as you like
Jun 07 13:01:49 <YoussefAssad> aratux: La2 not as I like. I want something both of us find acceptable.
Jun 07 13:02:17 <aratux> I don't think I will be able to use the wiki
Jun 07 13:02:27 <aratux> this is my personal opinion, not related to LE at all
Jun 07 13:02:46 <aratux> may be I am little dump so I can't use the wiki 
Jun 07 13:04:41 <YoussefAssad> aratux: Tayeb, how about I take you to El Sakia one day and give you a small tutorial?
Jun 07 13:05:33 <aratux> hahaha
Jun 07 13:05:54 <aratux> why not have it as two groups developing the drafts !!
Jun 07 13:09:15 <YoussefAssad> aratux: that is an idea bardo, but in my opinion there will be more synergy in one unified working draft.
Jun 07 13:09:50 <aratux> and we don't want people to fight too
Jun 07 13:10:12 <aratux> I don't want someone with tight mind from LE fighting over how and why eglug and not and so !!
Jun 07 13:10:20 <aratux> we have to reduce the clashes at the same time
Jun 07 13:10:23 <aratux> brb
Jun 07 13:10:37 <YoussefAssad> aratux: El moshkela bardo enne I don't want Enzo to be facing working in two directions. I think that we are mature enough to work together on this. It is simply a matter of sister groups talking together to find something which is acceptable to both. And that is what you and me are doing right here, right now. :)
Jun 07 13:11:40 <aratux> sure
Jun 07 13:11:59 <aratux> I told you, I want to reduce the chances of people from either group fighting on the other group !!
Jun 07 13:12:01 <YoussefAssad> aratux: BELZABT, bravo 3aleek. Ana khayef men that thing precisely, enne yekoon 7ad tight minded famanestafidsh men afkaro. This is why I want to find something scceptable to you and not only me, so you support it. People will follow you.
Jun 07 13:13:01 <YoussefAssad> fi LE, if you support it they will follow you. Fi eglug, if I support it, they will follow. Therefore, it is necessary enne the way we handle this is acceptable to BOTH of us
Jun 07 13:14:31 <YoussefAssad> Tayeb; if I post on both LE and EGLUG, and recommend (not impose, recommend) that we keep the discussion in one place, will you contribute fi EGLUG?
Jun 07 13:15:20 * YoussefAssad doesn't want to move before he is sure the solution will mean we get aratux's input.
Jun 07 13:18:17 <YoussefAssad> For example, if it is acceptable to make the main discussion fi EGLUG, then a good way of announcing on LE while building support is if you anounced it on LE, and stated your support for this initiative. That way, there is no danger of anyone fighting.
Jun 07 13:18:43 <YoussefAssad> If we make it clear that this is a cooperative effort, people will respect this and it will be a good way to begin cooperation.
Jun 07 13:18:44 <aratux> I am back
Jun 07 13:19:23 <aratux> first, I think as LE is a member in the EOSBC (Bahram is a founding members even), then if there will discussion like that, logically it could be in LE
Jun 07 13:19:31 <aratux> second, people don't follow me as you suggest
Jun 07 13:20:00 <aratux> third, I do think we can cooperate, but personally (I am talking about Mohamed Eldesoky) I won't contribute in eglug.org
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Jun 07 13:20:44 <YoussefAssad> Hmm.
Jun 07 13:22:45 <YoussefAssad> tayeb.
Jun 07 13:23:09 <YoussefAssad> Unfortunately, I think we will have to have discussion on both sites.
Jun 07 13:24:38 <YoussefAssad> aratux|praying: Does this mean that it is acceptable enne yeb2a fi initiative on linux-egypt.org and for YoussefAssad to decide not to contribute to linux-egypt.org?
Jun 07 13:25:03 <YoussefAssad> We are supposed to be sister groups, not competing organizations.
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Jun 07 13:32:10 <MohammedSameer> updated my pgp key!
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Jun 07 13:37:08 <aratux> YoussefAssad, mesh fahem ya3ny ehh initiative on LE, and YoussefAssad not to contribute !!
Jun 07 13:40:16 <YoussefAssad> mesh mohem khalas
Jun 07 13:40:58 <YoussefAssad> Anyway, I will keep on asking you to contribute. If you contribute on linux-egypt.org, then that is also good.
Jun 07 13:41:31 <YoussefAssad> Bass do me a favor; can you post el mawdoo3 da on linux-egypt.org tayeb? I have cookies blocked so I cannot log in.
Jun 07 13:42:06 <aratux> you are not blocked at all from LE
Jun 07 13:42:13 <aratux> no one at all is blocked from LE
Jun 07 13:42:24 <aratux> Alaa and uniball login to LE daily
Jun 07 13:42:36 <aratux> anyway, it is normal that we will post it to LE, as LE is a founding member
Jun 07 13:42:38 <aratux> right ?
Jun 07 13:43:46 <YoussefAssad> ya sidi mesh asdi. Ana ba3mel blocking lel cookies fil browser, fa I cannot log in.
Jun 07 13:43:54 <YoussefAssad> Yes, of course.
Jun 07 13:44:09 <aratux> deal
Jun 07 13:44:10 <aratux> :-)
Jun 07 13:44:18 <aratux> however, let us keep it clear
Jun 07 13:44:27 <aratux> both groups are respecting each other
Jun 07 13:44:38 <aratux> I am sure LE respects eglug, this is our policy
Jun 07 13:44:52 <aratux> I am not sure what happens on the other side, but I know you will keep it like that
Jun 07 13:45:00 <YoussefAssad> Please be more specific.
Jun 07 13:45:52 <YoussefAssad> Please be more specific.
Jun 07 13:47:03 <aratux> specific about what ?
Jun 07 13:47:09 <aratux> I said we should keep mutual respect
Jun 07 13:47:10 <aratux> :-)
Jun 07 13:47:18 <aratux> it is clear enough
Jun 07 13:48:11 <YoussefAssad> Yes it is clear, but it is off-topic.
Jun 07 13:49:07 <YoussefAssad> Mawdo3 el neqash is how to work together with the EOSBC, not whom respects whom... I think it is the best example of respect that I am talking to you first before posting?
Jun 07 13:49:08 <YoussefAssad> ma3alena.
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Jun 07 14:10:39 <YoussefAssad> Let's hope this thing works out cooperatively.
Jun 07 14:10:47 <YoussefAssad> I've got work to do. Later.
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