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Submitted by msameer on Fri, 25/01/2008 - 5:13pm

I have 2 laptops. My personal one at home and my work one at the office. Both are running testing. A month or two ago, I did a dist-upgrade on the home one. Later on I rebooted (DUH!) it for a reason I can't remember just to end up with very tiny fonts under GNOME. It took me some time to tweak them back again and play with the GNOME anti-aliasing dialog. Now if you know me well, you know that the last thing someone should do to me is to touch my font settings. I have a very sensitive eye (Because I have a very low vision) and I hardly tweak the fonts. All went somehow fine after that. Problem is I wasn't sure whether it was fglrx or GNOME who's responsible for that.

I always do a dist-upgrade everyday (!) but never bother to restart X or reboot. A few days ago, GNOME at the office crashed on me and guess what ? I ended up with the same problem again. Fonts. Tried tweaking it this time but no use. Copying the font settings from the other laptop was not an option because I'm using a large LCD at work but I can't afford to buy one for my personal laptop :-)

I thought it was fglrx, downgraded the driver but no use.

I decided that's it. I always used GNOME because I know Gtk+, gtkmm and somehow pygtk but the fonts breaking again was really too much.

I ended up switching back to KDE 3.x at work and at home. I just don't feel like using 2 different environments. This will confuse me ;-)

I remember I used KDE 1, GNOME 1.4, KDE 2.2, window maker, GNOME2, tried all the window managers out there until I settled with pekwm, hpanel, a few dockapps and that was my custom assembled DE. Until I switched to amd64 and the version I was using of pekwm (It was a CVS snapshot) started throwing exceptions. I wasn't really sure why and didn't have time to fix it. I wanted my laptop to be up and running again. I ended up trying the latest release but it did not work with hpanel (It was a hacked version because it wasn't originally working fine). and that's why I went back to GNOME.

Anyway, No flame please but KDE just rocks, it just works! I'm still having problems with fonts under Konsole (Bye multi-gnome-terminal) but I just need to free a few hours to test all the fonts out there.
Amarok works fine although the UI is a bit "cluttered" (But I managed to get it to crash :-))
I remember my phone complaining about not being correctly unmounted and warning about data corruption whenever I unplug it from the USB cable after asking GNOME to unmount it, KDE simply doesn't have this problem. The bad thing is that they removed "panel icons zooming upon mouse hover" but the tooltips are large and clear. Of course Arabic is still not that good under Konsole but I'd blame myself for that :-)

Konqueror is crappy as usual. I'm still using Opera :-(

Well done KDE team, Debian KDE team, GNOME team and Debian GNOME KDE team.

Thanks for the fish :-)

Now I guess I need to get myself familiar with the KDE/Qt API.


Submitted by Amr Gharbeia (not verified) on Fri, 25/01/2008 - 11:36pm

We have a convert!

KDE's main problem is bad defaults. It just takes a lot of tweaking to start to look appealing. Still, different applications work together nicer than standard Gnome applications. I was disappointed by KDE 4.0, so I won't make the switch from KDE 3.5 before I see what KDE 4.1 has to offer.

And you are not that rare, Amarok crashes with me, but it is still superior to anything else I have tried.

Submitted by Fred Morcos (not verified) on Fri, 25/01/2008 - 11:49pm

This reminds me of a conversation we had some time ago on IRC... Remember? :) So, yes, get familiar with the Qt API ;)

Submitted by Np237 (not verified) on Sat, 26/01/2008 - 12:53am

Earlier releases of GNOME used to fix the resolution to 96 dpi, meaning the font sizes were too big or too small depending on the screen. Still, too many drivers were buggy and provided wrong resolutions, so this lasted a long time.

Now that most free drivers are fixed, it was decided to remove that hack in GNOME 2.20 and to use the resolution detected by the X server.

So in short, the problem probably really comes from your driver, but it wasn’t apparent until this upgrade.

Submitted by Ahmad/Cairo (not verified) on Sat, 26/01/2008 - 1:23am

Salam ya Mohammed.

Arabic support in KDE 4.x's terminals is way much better than 3.x (I use Yakuake which shares the same KPart with Konsole but with a much more usable and fancier interface) If you don't like to use Knoqueror as a file manager, there's a new simpler one named Dolphin. In KDE 4, Konqueror uses Dolphin's KPart for file management. I think it's also very likely that it will use Webkit as its Web rendering engine in the near future.

I hand-build the latest SVN of (respectively) kdesupport, kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase, kdenetwork (mainly for kopete), kdegraphics (mainly for okular), extragear/plasma and extragear/util/yakuake, every 2 weeks or so.

I used the instructions at http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 (it recently got updated to be for building the stable 4.0 branch. Only the SVN URLs were changed) There's an automated build script at http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ . The only painful part was find and install the required -dev packages. I use and out-of-source build and install directories, to easily delete them when they get messy. Be sure to clean the file CMakeCache in the build dirs of each module on each svn up/rebuild to get a clean build or simply delete the build and install dirs.

As for getting familiar with the API. I suggest The Book of Qt 4 http://nostarch.com/qt4.htm as a starting point and then progressing to the development documentation on KDE's recently created techbase http://techbase.kde.org/

Keep an eye on Planet KDE http://planetkde.org/ (where you just got mentioned!) for tracking the now very fast world of KDE. One particularly interesting blog is by the legendary Aaron J. Seigo at http://aseigo.blogspot.com/ . He's the president of KDE e.V. , the lead developer of Plasma (and other core libraries) and one of the strongest advocates of KDE you could stumble upon on earth!

Submitted by egron (not verified) on Sat, 26/01/2008 - 6:13am

you could in add in .Xdefaults this:
Xft.dpi: 96

Submitted by Ahmad/Cairo (not verified) on Mon, 28/01/2008 - 10:13am

Ah, so did you have insider knowledge that Nokia is going to acquire Trolltech? =P

Submitted by wereld recepten (not verified) on Mon, 07/04/2008 - 8:04am

KDE rocks! My fav by far.

Submitted by Rostyslav (not verified) on Wed, 09/04/2008 - 5:15am

When I first tried KDE I hated it, but after trying gnome, and fighting with all of it's problems I learned to love the stability of KDE. It is a little harder to get going, but once you have it how you want it, you never have to touch it again.

Submitted by Rudy (not verified) on Tue, 06/05/2008 - 6:39pm

Still not sure to install KDE, will keep an eye on this forum however.

So more comments are welcome!

Submitted by Jeff32 (not verified) on Thu, 03/07/2008 - 1:56am

KDE is very, very frustrating to work with. Right now I am in the "giveup" phase, lol.

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