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Submitted by msameer on Wed, 10/08/2005 - 7:00pm

I don't know.
Looks like EGLUG is not doing well. People don't try to do anything.
The lug just turned into an inactive stupid piece of nonsense.
People in Egypt don't respect volunteers.
People in Egypt don't want to learn.
No constructive discussions anymore.
EGLUG's been there for more than a year, Now what did we get after all these months ?
I guess nothing and I guess nothing can be done.
It's really part of our culture not to do anything, To only talk and talk about how bad other people are doing.
No, This wasn't what I've aimed for really.
Arabeyes is also not doing very well, I don't really understand how can I stand up in a conference and talk about arabeyes and ask people to help when I know that they'll face problems.
Same goes for EGLUG. I just don't know or can't understand "I can't say that I understand every aspect of the human life".
Job ? Even this I'm fighting to get rid of. Why the damn can't people act nice. And for who's sake ?
Chairman of IT Synergy, You are nothing and if there's something bad I wish happen to someone, It'll be you.
When I travel and talk in a conference to represent your company, You don't deduct those days from my monthly payment. Why didn't I tell him that ? Because I gave up and I really have no energy to talk or fight anymore.
You don't sell drinks to the people working in the office.
You don't ask them to be your support team, You get support people.
You appreciate their work if it's good, Not look for the bad things.
You stop being silly and stop your endless requirements for the software they are developing.
You do you do you do you don't you don't you don't...

Realy, I feel bad and now I can say that it's a sin to be born/live/work/think about any of the previous things when it comes to the middle east.

Arabs are mostly assholes.

All this might be due to multiple bad things are happening to me within the last few weeks. I don't know whether I can relate my broken state to one of those things, To all of them or to none of them. I just don't know. and I don't want to write more.

I'm suspending my administration rights in both eglug and arabeyes. And stopping all my volunteer activities until farther notice.

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Submitted by mostafa (not verified) on Wed, 10/08/2005 - 9:16pm

!!!

Submitted by ezabi@eglug.org on Thu, 11/08/2005 - 1:26am

I wish I could reply for every letter and line of your post, but you know better than I do that I usually like brief abrupt comments if none at all, I usually prefer silence welli mesh 3awez yefham 3anno ma fehem.

But here you mentioned EGLUG which has become something essential in our lives, remind me of a day when you haven't mentioned or typed this word at least once since last year, EGLUG EGLUG EGLUG...

Looks like EGLUG is not doing well. People don't try to do anything.
The lug just turned into an inactive stupid piece of nonsense.
People in Egypt don't respect volunteers.
People in Egypt don't want to learn.

Didn't you know it wouldn't be easy from the very beginning, I think we had a non-verbal vow that we knew things are this way and it wouldn't turn us down.

Don't ever give up on the LUG, it's your baby, not yours alone anyway.

EGLUG's been there for more than a year, Now what did we get after all these months ?
I guess nothing and I guess nothing can be done.

I guess not, *hint* *hint* Minia??

Arabeyes is also not doing very well, I don't really understand how can I stand up in a conference and talk about arabeyes and ask people to help when I know that they'll face problems.
Same goes for EGLUG. I just don't know or can't understand "I can't say that I understand every aspect of the human life".

errrr, sorry, try immigrating to Utopia. Things here in our world aren't always right.

Job ? Even this I'm fighting to get rid of. Why the damn can't people act nice. And for who's sake ?
...

(negative biased comment removed)

I don't know whether I can relate my broken state to one of those things,...

maybe?? why don't we sit and think together?

I'm suspending my administration rights in both eglug and arabeyes. And stopping all my volunteer activities until farther notice.

chill, give yourself a vacation.

...but EGLUG?!!?? giving up on your family and friends???

But think of the dream, maybe it can be done, or even a fraction of it, or maybe not, but it should still be there...

Submitted by alaa@www.manalaa.net on Thu, 11/08/2005 - 2:02am

ايه يا بوب مكانش العشم

I'm sorry YOU ARE THE REASON WHY EGLUG IS IN TROUBLE

ازاي دي بقى اسألني

because you failed to raise the issue in eglug itself, you failed to discuss this openly with eglug members, you have a forum you have meetings and you did not raise it, what if you are the only one who sees these problems, it is your duty to discuss them and give the community a chance to survive.

anyways I think EGLUG did alot of important stuff, I'm very proud of it, the problem is it is relying too much on a handful of individuals and for one reason or another this handful cannot give the same amount of time and energy at the moment.

what eglug needs is more people taking initiative, and it needs the old people to give it some time bardo.

Submitted by msameer on Thu, 11/08/2005 - 7:56am

Ezabi, It's not easy but if people don't want it and if you can't sense a ray of light in the drk then it's a no hope situation.
I didn't say that I'm leaving the LUG, I said that I'll suspend my adminship for a while.
Guess I need to replan my whole life - or start planning -
Remember ? And ?
Those days are not coming back.

Alaa, I always raise things on the forum, But it ooks like it's a culture in our society to say nonsense just to say it, I guess I might be one of them but at least I try to do good things.

Submitted by boody@slashproc.net on Thu, 11/08/2005 - 8:15am

you know me I'm a self centered freak so I'll have to talk about myself first. Let me tell you something about me that you probably don't know. 4 years ago I used to make ..... well not alot of money but trust me I used to make more money than now. I used to make this money writing delphi and vb apps for local stores and companyes in Zagazig.

I was less dependant on my father I used to pay for lots of things myself. But then and even now I was still on the hunt for my atlantis "al madina al fadela" I knew back then as I know now that I'll never find it. But there was this moment when I first opened the GNU website and read what the word free software is.

At this moment I felt like I found a little piece of my atlantis. Thats why I made the move thats why I refused the offers I got to continue doing what I used to do before and thats why I don't have it on my resume as you know.

I didn't care if most people doesn't know or doesn't wanna know. I never talked to people about how do we do a better job or how do we produce better software this way because I don't care if they used it just because its better, I want them to use it because what it means and to appreciate the freedom. I felt great then and I feel great now even though I'm poor :)

I'm doing what I'm doing because I love it and I don't care about the stupid things that I face or if its not making a huge effect. And I want you to remember why are you doing this from the beginning. I'm sure its not for the money :)

I found a little piece of my atlantis and I'm sure you found a little piece of yours but trust me we will never find all of it

So I need you to stop for a moment and think. Did arabeyes or eglug put a smile on your face in the past few years? I'm sure eglug and arabeyes both put a smile on my face even that I agree with you on some points.

If you can't remember a single moment then I agree you should leave. But I know you won't

Submitted by alaa@www.manalaa.net on Thu, 11/08/2005 - 7:58pm

if you remember right this was not a magical moment, while it was a climax it was also a very dark period where we had way too many fights and problems within the community and with big multinationals

it was also a time of uncertainty we had no idea what we could achieve we had no idea if we where going to succeed or fail

if back then you where thinking like now we wouldn't have gotten anywhere.

also remember the amount of effort we put back then, lets be honest none of us is putting that ammount of effort anymore, I'm not saying we should but its natural when we put les effort to get less results.

Submitted by msameer on Fri, 12/08/2005 - 2:16pm

It was a dark period of time when we were fighting the dark side but we had people to work and we were working.

Now tell me, Who iswelling to contact the culturewheel to inform them about the fest this year ? I don't know how to handle these things. Ezabi doesn't want to do it.

We had people working, Now we don't. Do you think that this is a better situation ?


also remember the amount of effort we put back then, lets be honest none of us is putting that ammount of effort anymore, I'm not saying we should but its natural when we put les effort to get less results.

If after more than a year the same people used to do things are the same people then this is not working.

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